original airdate - 7/21/23
Frank retired from ATF in 2014 after 25 years of service, most of it as a Supervisory Special Agent focused on complex investigations and undercover operations. He personally infiltrated three outlaw motorcycle gangs and supported undercover operations targeting the Outlaws MC, Hells Angels MC, Pagans MC, Warlocks MC, and others while also serving in leadership roles across ATF, OCDETF, HIDTA, and the Undercover Branch in Washington, D.C. He later advised USSOCOM, DoD, DIA, and Special Operations Forces on signature reduction, cover, and law enforcement support for domestic training operations.
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00:00 Start
01:37 Frank’s Youngstown roots and path to law enforcement
06:18 Mobbed-up Youngstown and getting hired by ATF
11:49 Learning undercover work in violent 1990s Columbus
18:49 What happens when undercover agents get arrested
24:42 Backstopping, aged cover, and smarter gang vetting
33:31 Frank’s first biker-gang infiltration
46:25 Outlaw motorcycle club culture explained
52:28 Inside the Brothers MC investigation and takedown
1:05:07 Moving to Las Vegas for the Vagos case
1:18:49 The home invasion order and undercover boundaries
1:33:41 ATF’s undercover branch and the Aryan Brotherhood case
1:43:47 Creating the Order of Blood cover club
2:13:18 Aryan Brotherhood, prison gangs, and outlaw biker politics
2:35:59 Listener questions, ATF politics, Waco, Sons of Anarchy, and final reflections
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