214. What Can The UK Learn From How South Africa Ended Apartheid? (Paul van Zyl)

How can politicians rebuild trust after decades of division? How do you get political enemies to sit down at the same table? What are some of Nelson Mandela's best - and funniest - moments?

Alastair Campbell is joined by Paul van Zyl, who served as the Executive Secretary of South Africa's post-apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission from 1995 to 1998, to answer all these questions and more.

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