The FBI Double Agent Who Targeted the GRU | Naveed Jamali

Naveed Jamali tells the story of how he went from a family business in New York to working with the FBI as a double agent against Russian military intelligence before eventually becoming a Naval Intelligence officer. We also discuss how the Russians recruit assets, the psychological toll of undercover work, encounters with suspected Chinese intelligence, and why counterintelligence still matters today.
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00:00 – Start
05:24 – How a Future Navy Intel Officer Became an FBI Asset
08:18 – Growing Up Around New York’s Espionage World
10:22 – Why New York Is a Hub for Foreign Intelligence
13:18 – How His Parents Became Involved With the FBI
14:25 – A KGB Officer Walks Into the Family Business
18:04 – Russian Surveillance & Sending a Message
19:15 – Meeting Oleg, the GRU Officer
20:15 – Why the Russians Wanted Open-Source Military Material
22:02 – Robert Hanssen & Rebuilding Russia’s Spy Network
23:40 – Russia’s Long-Term Plan to Cultivate an American Asset
26:32 – 9/11 & Wanting to Join Naval Intelligence
28:21 – Pitching Himself to the FBI
30:24 – Using Counterintelligence Work to Get Into the Navy
34:39 – Designing His Own Double-Agent Operation
36:28 – “Does Oleg Have a Gun?”
39:04 – The Psychological Toll of Living Undercover
39:52 – MICE: Why People Become Spies
44:43 – Convincing the Russians He Was Motivated by Money & Ego
48:30 – Taking the Relationship With Oleg to the Next Level
51:06 – Moving the Spy Meetings Out of the Office
52:28 – When Russia Started Tasking Him for Intelligence
53:31 – Walking Into Northrop Grumman for the FBI
55:03 – How Dangerous Was the Operation?
57:05 – Russian Intimidation After the Operation
59:03 – A Suspicious Encounter With Russia Today
1:02:04 – A Russian Approach Targeting a National Security Journalist
1:06:06 – Intelligence Agencies & the Press
1:09:29 – Influencers, Propaganda & Russian Money
1:12:22 – Being Surveilled by Suspected Chinese Intelligence
1:15:29 – A Surveillance Vehicle Outside His Home
1:17:06 – Why Chinese Intelligence Was Interested in Him
1:19:05 – The Counterintelligence Threat From China
1:23:28 – Showing Oleg a Sensitive Government Database
1:25:08 – The Russian Thumb Drive That Nearly Blew Everything Up
1:26:20 – The FBI Turns on Him
1:27:13 – Setting the Final Trap for Oleg
1:31:24 – The Arrest Plan Goes Sideways
1:37:48 – Finally Learning How Big the Operation Really Was
1:40:27 – How the Operation Disrupted Russian Intelligence Collection
1:41:27 – What Happened to Oleg
1:44:22 – The FBI Helps Him Become a Naval Intelligence Officer
1:46:24 – Telling the Spy Story Inside a SCIF
1:48:25 – How a Chance Encounter Led to How to Catch a Russian Spy
1:50:39 – Balancing a Media Career With Naval Intelligence
1:53:20 – The Mental Cost of Undercover Work
1:56:42 – When the Stress Finally Caught Up With Him
1:58:22 – Life After Intelligence & Journalism
2:00:17 – Flying the B-2, B-1 & B-52
2:02:42 – Why Deterrence Still Matters
2:05:18 – Flying on America’s Doomsday Plane
2:07:32 – Knowing When It’s Time to Pass the Torch
2:10:38 – Closing Thoughts

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