S30·E85 July 15, 2025 - Thomas Chatterton Williams

With MAGA and Democrats demanding answers about the Epstein files and Trump denying their existence, Jordan Klepper charts the president's well-documented history with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, which might be why the president wants the entire thing to blow over. Also, Michael Kosta offers up a defense from Mar-a-Lago. Do you have a moment to talk about the environment with Nick Offerman? "To talk about it only as a matter of identity actually limits our ability to engage non-Black people in the struggle, which is that no American should be OK with law enforcement being able to break somebody, especially a poor person without any resources, the way that they broke George Floyd, whatever color you are". Thomas Chatterton Williams, staff writer at The Atlantic and author of the forthcoming book, "Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse", joins Jordan Klepper to discuss his analysis of America's fall from Obama-era optimism.